In Episode 63 Dr. Nicholas Ng-A-Fook interviews Dr. Mark Priestley and Dr. Stavroula Philippou. Dr. Priestley is a Professor of Education at the University of Stirling. His research focuses in part on the processes of curriculum making across the different layers of education systems.  He is also the Director of the Stirling Centre for Research into Curriculum Making. Dr. Stavroula Philippou is an Associate Professor in Curriculum and Teaching within the Department of Education at the University of Cyprus.  Both represent their respective countries as national Representatives of the International Association for the Advancement of Curriculum Studies (IAACS). Both are Co-convenors who support Dr. Majella Dempsey the Lead Convenor of Network 3-Curriculum of the European Educational Research Association (EERA). We discussed the following: educational and political differences in Canada, United Kingdom, Scotland, Cyprus, European Union and Middle East, their co-edited collection Curriculum Making in Europe, Supra, Macro, Meso, Micro, and Nano contexts of curriculum making as a social practice, collaborating on research with teachers as curriculum makers, navigating European Union Research Grants, their tenure as editors of the Curriculum Journal, implications of artificial intelligence for curriculum making, and so much more.