In Episode 38, Dr. Ng-A-Fook interviews Dr. Rob Helfenbein a Professor of Curriculum Studies in the Tift College of Education at Mercer University. Dr. Rob Helfenbein draws on research as a critical geographer and curriculum theorist to share his insights on his lived experience during the COVID-19 pandemic. We discussed some of the following issues: American Association for the Advancement of Curriculum Studies (AAACS), transitioning to a new place, Black Lives Matter uprisings in Baltimore implications for scholars, political landscape in Georgia, unsettling beliefs in teacher education, cultural studies, spatial thinking, banning of teaching divisive concepts in public schools, new materialism, posthumanism, intellectual and critical geographies of historical and contemporary racialized and material segregations, time, space, and place, Bergamo Conference, living in the shadows of “freedom,” and so much more.