In Episode 36 Dr. Ng-A-Fook interviews Dr. Patricia Liu Baergen an Assistant Professor at Thompson Rivers University. Dr. Patricia Liu Baergen draws on her research in the areas of educational philosophy, curriculum studies, and life history to share her insights on intellectual works of Dr. Ted Tetsuo Aoki. We discussed some of the following issues: negotiating the 4^th wave of the Pandemic, impact of the flooding in British Columbia, teaching, her recent book Tracing Ted Tetsuo Aoki’s Intellectual Formation, phenomenology, temporal movements of Dasein, internal and external biographical situatedness, isness of “curriculum-as-lived,” limits of instrumentalism, bridging a bridge that is not a bridge, and so much more.