In Episode 33 Dr. Ng-A-Fook interviews Dr. Taliaferro Baszile, an Associate Dean of Diversity and Student Experience and Professor of Curriculum & Cultural Studies in the Department of Educational Leadership at Miami University. Dr. Taliaferro Baszile, draws on black feminist, critical race, and curriculum theories to share her insights and feelings about the COVID-19 Pandemic. We discussed some of the following issues: living as a family and higher education leader during a Pandemic, ideological failures of Democracy, teaching freedom in the language of oppression, re/curricularizing “the” standard “White American” curriculum, enacting protest within the space out of love, reimagining a world beyond a narratively condemned status, Ellisonian eyes, ontoepistemological qualities of a free mind, currere, Bergamo, and so much more.