In Episode 28 Dr. Ng-A-Fook interviews Dr. John Weaver, a Professor of Curriculum Studies at Georgia Southern University. Dr. Weaver draws on his interdisciplinary intellectual work on science, curriculum, and democracy to share his philosophical insights on our lived experiences inside and outside the “university” before, during, and after COVID-19. We discussed some of the following issues: providing essential services to the public, rhetoric of science, economics, reimagining the “university” beyond intellectual traps and administrative busywork, anti-intellectualism, limits of boustrophedonic writing, becoming active in political life, addressing error, art of creating vaccinations, illusions of order and certainty, a critique of science education, science fiction and its speculative insights, perspectivalism, and so much more.