In this thirteenth episode, Dr. Dwayne Donald interviews Dr.  Nicholas Ng-A-Fook, a Professor of Curriculum Studies at the University of Ottawa. During their conversation, Dr. Ng-A-Fook shares his perspectives as a curriculum theorist in relation to the 2020 Pandemic. They discuss some of the following concepts: online and distance learning, teacher agility, flexibility, care, and professionalism, currere, experimenting with a podcasting curriculum, the international field of curriculum studies, Hakka and Irish Catholic migrations, living in rural and urban communities in Canada and the United States, life history research, unlearning, learning, and serving with the United Houma Nation, oral history research, racialized segregations, restorying settler historical consciousness and so much more.