In Episode 41 Dr. Ng-A-Fook interviews Dr. Jennifer MacDonald, an Assistant Professor at University of Regina’s Faculty of Education. Dr. Jennifer MacDonald shares insights about her research on social change, ecological healing, and wayfinding. We discussed some of the following issues: navigating transitions in life, as a doctoral student to Assistant Professor, and to a new place, teaching with the land, protocols for cultivating relations with place as a living curriculum, walking, wayfinding, mapping, canoeing, attuning to the more than human world, unlearning and learning as non-Indigenous educators with Elders, slowing down, the flow of being together as kin on the land, reconceptualizing relational conceptions of spirituality in outdoor education, rituals of inquiry, gifting, kinship relationships, and so much more.